Thursday, May 31, 2012

Fucking Birthers

Trump, Birthers Should Learn from Democrats' 1880 Mistakes - Yahoo! News

You people need to stop. This guy is doing a bad enough job to be defeated on that merit. You people are arguing his place of birth, AGAIN. For fuck's sake, you're going to cost the Republican Party an election. Then what? Another four years of listening to you bitch. People are going to vote for Obama just because you are so ridiculously retarded. Get off of it all ready, for fuck's sake.

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  1. Oh J.O.B.
    Come on man….tell us how you really feel. :-)

    What can I say except as a Moderate Republican, I agree with you 1000%!!! (yes I meant to put in that extra 0)

    Let’s get to more substance debate issues instead of this crap. This is how true intelligent decisions are made. Our future is depending on this.

    This Birther aspect really disappoints me as a Republican as it is coming from my 150 year legacy of my own Party.

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    1. E- Totally. I (As an Anti-Obama supporter) feel that this shit can only hurt the GOP. I look forward to the announcement of Rubio as a running mate. I think that will be the stake through the heart of Obama. But these Birthers are fucking things up, in my opinion.

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  2. So,
    Have sanity attack yer ass and vote for Democrats.


    Fucking, DUH!

    Best,

    Sarge

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    1. Sarge- Not what I'm saying. The Birthers need to shut up. I'm afraid their actions will allow Obama a second term.

      Since we are new to each other's blogs, I will publish a post ASAP, in order to explain to you my political views.

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  3. The Donald can't get out of his own way. I wish he'd get off it already too. That ship sailed a long time ago.
    Just focus people on the guy's record of incompetence and that should do the trick.
    The majority of his support will only come from those who are getting a free ride and want to continue it. I'm baffled as to how any worker's or job seekers could vote for him. (Well not counting the fact that we have a lot of stupid people voting)

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  4. Pal- Agreed 100%. However, I'm afraid Obama will garner votes, based off of the retardation of these birthers. Voters will automatically equate him with the Birthers. I'm afraid he will lose on that alone.

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    1. When I say "HIM", I mean Romney. I really need to start proof-reading.

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  5. Perhaps you should just tell CNN to shuddup about it, they are the ones who keep yapping on about it...

    doesn't matter where TheO was born, he's still an illegal usurper and will always be...

    Yep, I'm a "birther"

    sue me

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    1. Lisa- I would never sue you. Come on, we're Chicagoans, even if you live on the other side of the globe.
      You might think I was a little harsh, but I consider it passion. You have your views on Obama's legitimacy and that is fine. To tell you the truth, I used to wonder, why doesn't this guy give his Birth Certificate to the media to shut the birthers up. That's what I would do. To be honest, I don't have a certificate of live birth, only a birth certificate. My daughter has both.

      I'm rambling, anyway. My point is this. Obama has failed in enough areas, that I truly believe he can be defeated on that alone. People who are in the middle right now may be swayed to vote for Obama just because of the craziness of some Birthers. Not all, but some are just crazy.

      In closing, you and I have differing opinions on some things. Similar opinions on others. But in regards to this issue, I truly feel that if the birther movement continues on this path, it will only hurt the GOP chances of winning in November.

      BTW- Enjoying the first day of June in Chicago. It's 48 degrees. Hope everything is well down under.

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  6. I'll go along with Lisa on this one. The media keeps bringing this up not Trump.

    The reality is that we Americans deserve to know who Zero really is. His whole resume is manufactured. That much is crystal clear. Anyone deigning that hasn't been paying attention or is simply willfully ignorant.

    True enough that is is too late in the game to make any difference now. The focus should be to get Zero out.

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    1. H/Nox- I agree with you and Lisa on the media thing. Trust me, if I thought CNN would listen, I would send them an e-mail. The problem is that every time there is a story on this, there is a video to accompany it. This video isn't of people calmly questioning the legitimacy of Obama's presidency. The video is usually the crazy passionate bastards, screaming for Obama's head.

      You are correct. We do deserve to know Obama's record and who he is. But as you agree, it's been 4 years. Maybe the argument is justified, maybe it isn't. But if the platform says, Romney should win, because Obama isn't even a citizen. I truly feel that would cost the GOP the election.

      Since we're on the subject of birthers though, Why was this not an issue back in '08. Isn't there a committee to check on this stuff before a name is even allowed on a presidential ballot?

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    2. San Fran Nan was the only one to certify his eligibility. The Clinton camp brought it up in '07. McCain wouldn't touch it. Neither has any judge since then. The fact remains that no one in the public arena wants to be the ONE that brought down the first Black president for fear of being labeled a racist.

      Zero is simply not eligible since his father was a Kenyan. There are a number of SCOTUS decisions that settled that years ago but that is and remains ignored.

      As much as I like Rubio the fact remains that he is not eligible since his parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth. It's that simple.

      I spoke with my congressman about it and he won't touch it even though he agrees with every premise. Sheriff Joe Arpio is the only one who has bothered to grab that bull by the horns but only after DoJ kicked him in the nuts.

      We'll know the whole story in 20 years just like all the Kennedy shenanigans. At this point it is academic and a waste of time.

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    3. H/Nox- I actually had to research for this reply. I wasn't aware there was a defining different. I always looked at "Natural Born Citizen" as someone born here. Never took the parents into consideration. Guess I'm just a simple man.

      But, my research did not support your claim.
      In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court issued its decision in the case of Perkins v. Elg, regarding a young woman, born in New York a year after her father became a naturalized U.S. citizen. However, when she was about four her parents returned to Sweden taking her with them, and they stayed in Sweden. At age 20, this young woman contacted the American diplomats in Sweden and, shortly after her 21st birthday, returned to the United States on a U.S. passport and was admitted as a U.S. citizen. Years later, while she was still in America, her father in Sweden relinquished his American citizenship, and, because of that, the Department of Labor (then the location of the Immigration & Naturalization Service) declared her a non-citizen and tried to deport her. The young woman filed suit for a declaratory judgment that she was an American citizen by birth. She won at the trial level, and at the circuit court - where she was repeatedly described as "a natural born citizen" [39]- and finally in the U.S. Supreme Court, where the court decision quoted at length from the U.S. Attorney-General's opinion in Steinkauler's Case (mentioned above) including the comment that the person born in America and raised in another country could yet "become President of the United States".[40]

      I got that case off of wikipedia. If you have a differing case, please share.

      Also, according to Wikipedia..........
      Black's Law Dictionary (9th Edition) defines "Natural Born Citizen" as "A person born within the jurisdiction of a national government."

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    4. Jon, you are mixing apples with oranges. There is a lot of confusion with "native born" and "natural born".

      A person born here is automatically a US citizen but the citizenship can be dual if for instance the father of the child is a diplomat, or foreign worker assigned to the US in some capacity.

      "Natural born" is when a person is born of TWO United States citizens irregardless where they were born as was the case for John McCain who was born in Panama.

      Obama's father was the son of a Kenyan and a US citizen. Obama could have held dual citizenship which clearly makes him ineligible to be US president.

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    5. More on the subject:

      http://www.federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined/

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    6. H/Nox- I also found this on the same wikipedia expedition...........................
      The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts dealing with the question of eligibility for citizenship by birth, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen.

      Here's a link to the page where I read everything...............
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen

      It seems like we could debate this back and forth. But Here's a different argument. Let's say you are correct. Why would Rubio not be eligible, considering his citizenship would be the same as the man in office?

      I also forgot to reply about the race issue. I agree with you on that one. I think If Obama was White, his citizenship would have been openly questioned by members of Congress.

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  7. Agreed 100%!

    The birfers play into Obama's hands. I believe the White House released that layered PDF document on purpose to keep the nuts stirred up.

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    1. Fiddle- What's up Bud? Good to see you here. Coming from Chicago, Obama knows one thing. He knows how to garner votes. The PDF document was definitely released to coincide with his campaign.

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  8. Jon,
    Watch this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6gZFF0mVGk

    The birthers have a point but that ship sailed a while ago. The media has been successful in labeling the people that question Zero's BC as "birthers" and doing it in a derogatory way.

    The reality is had Zero been forthcoming with his bonafides instead of sealing them via EO the issue would be dead. The issue is Zero's and his alone.

    The bottom line is that Zero more than likely used his Indonesian citizenship to get Foreign Student grants.

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  9. H/Nox- I agree 100% about THAT ship sailing. I also agree withe the Media bastardizing people who question Obama's legitimacy.

    The question still stands. If we are willing to accept Obama's legitimacy, why would Rubio be ineligible?

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    1. That's the fly in the ointment isn't it? There's no easy answer.

      Do we hold Rubio to the standard that was answered in 1866 or do we just ignore the constitution as was done in Obama's case?

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  10. H/Nox- I think the problem is that there is no clear cut Supreme Court precedent for this matter. The problem is that the Constitution does not exactly define Natural Born Citizen. So it seems we have quite a conundrum either way. No easy answer Brother. I will say that in my opinion, Rubio gives Romney the best chance at victory.

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    1. Don't get me wrong... I like Rubio a whole lot and Romney would do real well with him on the ticket. Rubio has already said no and I wonder if he is trying to stay clear of an eligibility issue.

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