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Hey Johnny,First off it is good to see you posting again.This could be a correct sign if he were in Chicago or maybe in another large city in the U.S. I did a business research paper on this back in 2000 and visited many cutting edge companies working with this technology.The City of Chicago has many Fuel Cell Busses operating in the City today. The "engine" (so to speak) is the "Ballard Fuel Cell" and has been in service since the late 1990’s or early 2000’s. The fuel is hydrogen which can be produced much cheaper than any ethanol corn fuel. Hydrogen can be produced by simply running an electrical current (much like a battery charger) through water which will separate the hydrogen from the oxygen atoms. (H2O) The other advantage is that the exhaust is distilled water in the steam form. (You could actually drink the bus exhaust.)Chicago was one of the first Beta test sights for this technology and many Hydrogen Fuel Cell Busses are now running all over the world….especially in Europe. Bottom line this technology has proven to be quite successful for the last 12+ years.As you know my friend….Just Saying. :-)
I thought I would pass this on per my “mentoring” aspects:Fuel Cell technology was first patented round 1830’s.NASA has used fuel cells for electrical power and production of water for astronauts since the 1960’s Gemini space shots. (you don’t think the rockets and shuttle takes off with bottles of water onboard right?)What is sent up are tanks of hydrogen and oxygen and this is run through a PEM (Proton Exchange Membrane) fuel cell to make electricity to power everything on board the space shuttle and space station in space then takes the exhaust, “water,” for humans to drink while in space.There are many types of fuel cells today but we are talking a PEM fuel cell for these buses and like I said, are now in many major cities across the country today. Many times the buses have something like, “Hydrogen Powered” labeled on the side of the buses so you can see them around everywhere.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cellHope I have been of some help. "Critical Thinking" my friend. :-)
Come on E. Are you really pulling the Crirical Thinking card on a post meant to make people laugh. Should I start calling you Mud #2. LOLOLOLOLOLOLO. I have read about these hydrogen vehicles.I have seen these buses you talk about, in the city. Don't they still use combustible engines with moving parts? If so, they would require oil. Of course that is not what the sign was implying, but still not 100% inaccurate.There was an article in '09 about Honda's Hydrogen vehicle. How does $300,000 for a compact Honda sound to you? I'll e-mail you soon Bud.
Hey J.O.B.Sorry for getting back so late. I have already got in 32 hours this week by today. I will easily have 20 more hours by the end of this week.....but it is ALL GOOD!! Love the work, everyone I work with, and for here in Columbus, OH.OK let’s see….. start calling me Mud #2…OK be nice now. LOL :-)To answer your question, “Don't they still use combustible engines with moving parts?” Oh no, Hydrogen PEM Fuel Cells uses the natural electro-magnetic atomic attraction energy that hydrogen and oxygen have to recombine. (The two atoms naturally and really want to make water) The PEM cell only allows the hydrogen protons to migrate through stripping away the electrons forcing and creating the electrical path that drives a DC motor. (very much like a battery powering an electric DC motor.) That is why when the electrons rejoin the protons of the hydrogen atom along with the oxygen atoms from the air around us all….you get H2O as the exhaust. (Basically distilled steam water) (Anytime you have a molecular conversion, be it fusion or fission, it generates heat.)For the rest of the mechanical parts in those buses from the wheel bearings to the steering arms today most all bearings are sealed bearings from the factory with a silicon based grease (you never have to grease them, when they go bad you just replace them) and I have not used organic oil in any of my car’s or truck’s engines for years now. Especially with the aluminum block in my Corvette, I cannot use anything else but synthetic based engine lubricants. Organic engine oil lubricants from the ground would destroy that engine.The price you quoted from the Honda would be a prototype beta cost…..there is a man who came from India who is making the PEM plates (the main part and cost that only allows the protos through and stripping away the electrons) from silicon (much like computer chips) in California which has reduced the cost of the DuPont’s plastic version by quite a bit. Your $300K price would be like the cost of the first Personal Computers when they were first developed in the early 1970’s. Today a much more powerful laptop only cost me a little over $200 this past spring.I remember the first pocket calculators in the early 1970’s cost over $700. One much more powerful that can calculate trig and programmed calculus equations today costs $17.This is what the PEM Fuel Cells cost would look like if the technology were to get into full manufacturing production. The problem is the fuel (like gas stations on every street corner) stations. A whole infrastructure would have to be built across the country to convert to this technology convient. So there you have it.Please drop me a line as I would like to catch up with what is going on in your life in Chicago. I really hope everything is going well.Until Then,EOK
Thanks for the info on the components. That is pretty impressive.BUT COME ON! Admit it, you laughed at the post. I'll try e-mailing you tonight. Later Bud.BTW- the 300K price was for a prototype, but I'm not sure how cheap they can go for. I just finished working a remodel job at an opened Chevy dealership. Out of curiosity, while on break, I looked at the tag on the Chevy Volt. HOLY SHIT!, $48,000. I had no idea they were that expensive. And the technology in that car seems a lot less complicated than what you talked about above.
J.O.B.Between you and me....the Volt and those of the "ME TOO" Lithium-ion type laptop battery power....are never going to make it in the long run.The PEM Fuel Cell can go a lot cheaper if mass produced than any Lithium-ion Battery will ever come down to...and what is the marked up cost when the Lithium-ion batteries have to be replaced in those cars? Not going to be cheap. Talk about your sticker shock then!Bottom line that technology is just not there yet...I'm glad to hear you are working. I was worried about you Dude. Look forward to hearing from you.